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>Holy Crap on a Cracker: Quote Mining Cuz I can

May 5, 2010

>Wow. wow. wow. You know, you couldn’t make this up if you tried. I had a spot of time this morning and the inclination to wander through the AoA comments, which always offer up nuggets so profound that I just absolutely felt the need to share the collective wisdom with ya’ll. I know you will find it gripping and life-altering, as well.

In no particular order, from  people commenting on JB’s piece:

Someone mentions and links to Gary Null and his youtube videos. We already knew they were fans of Mercola as well as Natural News; it’s no surprise that they like Null, too. There is no woo to woo-ey for the AoAers.

On to noteworthy comments that need little additional commenting:

“@Robin – it is assult with a bodily fluid. Take a water squirt gun and verbally tell him that to avoid assult with bodily fluids you are imaging as you spray his face with water that you are spitting on his face. then politely empty the water gun and hand it to him and tell him to take it and have it tested to indeed confirm that the contents were only water. If you wanted to get really nasty you could put some red dye in it and tell him that he’s got kids’ blood on his hands and now his face :)”   — to the woman who wanted to spit in someone’s face. Does she mean to spray it into the person’s face? Because that’ll still get you arrested. Gods, and you have to appreciate the smiley face, right? Ya’ll have already gotten nasty and more than a wee bit wonky, as well.

“It has already been irrefutably proven by Dr.Andrew Moulden that all vaccines (including snakebites) cause hyperstimulation of the body’s immune system which then cuts off oxygenated blood to the body’s brain and organs which causes strokes, ischemia (dead areas)and is the cause of SIDS etc.!” — oh, Moulden! It’s been awhile since one of them mentioned him.

“To describe mass vaccination as an example of evidence based medicine is a joke. Those who insist in calling the existing system “evidenced based” are dishonest, delusional or both.”  Yeah, someone (who still reads me) really liked this comment and is going to quote it. Vaccines undergo extensive testing and pretending they don’t does make you delusional. Sorry. And dishonest, too. And to finish the alliteration, a dumbass. Seriously, and profoundly ill-informed.

“His toxic load bucket finally tipped…It is also synonymous with the belief that people hold (as illustrated in Adriana Gamondes’s recent AoA article) that somehow, we are worse or God doesn’t love us as much or whatever other lie they tell themselves as the reason why WE have a genetic predisposition and THEY don’t. What a bunch of b.s.!” –This was a long comment; I pulled out the relevant portion. Yeah, I think something tipped. And I think AoA feeds the collective tipping of a lot of buckets.

“Joining the bandwagon of vaccines are safe crowd can do such things to you. You have to be on constant watch for those infiltrating warrior moms and dads, who’s lives to them are as distant as one can get. God help them if they ever knew personally a child with autism, and the pain and anguish they ACTUALLY go through, and their parents? I never wish autism on anyone, but if I had my druthers, I wish they had our situations first hand. I don’t think that is a wish either, it’s almost a certainty.”–This is also from a much longer comment, one by a person who’s written a lot of factually incorrect information over the last couple years, from the SV-40 to the lyme disease causing every autoimmune disorder known to man (and autism), and who admits she’s against vaccines.  She spends a lot of her comment going on about lying and how it’s hard on people and they probably don’t sleep well, etc. Holy crap on a cracker.  A lot of us on the vaccines-don’t-cause-autism crowd  have children with autism. And this person knows this, but it’s so much easier to pretend we don’t.

Other signs of woo or hilarity, from other posts:

“Then need to follow Dr. Yasko’s lead and test for genetic mutations first, then individualize treatment protocols.”

“The Geiers, aside from Gallagher et al. from SUNY Stony Brook, are the only people to have produced good epidemiology of thimerosal’s toxicity to date and the only people outside the CDC to have conducted any kind of epidemiological research on thimerosal at all. They also did ground-breaking hormonal research of the disorder.
What a disappointment that they have now produced a paper so badly flawed.”  — Hi, Jake, I wanted you to know this one had me cracking up! Who knew you had such a good sense of humor? 🙂

And we move to the concerning (although the first comment I quote also fits there, as well):

“I believe Offits wife also benefits financially from working on vaccinations. Anyone have any info on her?”

“Every time I see Offit, I think back to that picture of him topless holding a naked baby.” –Now, to be fair, the commenter then posts that she remembered it wrong, but Stag knew when she approved the comment that the poster was wrong, and she has in the past added a note to some comments, so she could have done that, but didn’t here. Why? Seriously?

I have problems with a lot of the outright offensive things that make it on over there. I really have problems with such factually inaccurate information being the subject of posts. I acknowledge, though, that freedom of speech exists, and it’s everyone’s godsgiven right to be a colossal dumbass. It’s my right to counter this level of sheer nonsense.When I think of parents new to the diagnosis of autism having places like Autism Speaks, Autism Research Institute or AoA being some of the first places they run across on the internet, I shudder. Fortunately, while the first two are in the top ten of a google search on autism, AoA doesn’t show up until the 12th page of google hits. Generation Rescue shows up ahead of AoA, at the bottom of the 9th page of hits. Even the Vitamin D Council (complete woo that links you to Mercola to buy a tanning bed) is ahead of AoA; it shows up on the 10th page. TACA shows up on the 11th page. There is some comfort that the first things people will be exposed to tend to be accurate information provided by reputable sites before exposure to woo and nonsense. There is, however, ample woo.  It does, though, reassures me, and should you, as well, that these organizations that we work hard to counter aren’t that big, after all. PBS linking to them gave them exposure they badly needed, even if it was negative exposure, so they really do owe them some thanks.

*Update crazy comment:

“Jon Palfreman wrote, directed and produced The Vaccine War. Someday, his name will be listed alongside Paul Offit’s, Nancy Snyderman’s, Brian Deer’s and others who personally profited by feeding vaccine industry propaganda to the public during the height of the autism epidemic.
By comparison, Bruno Bettelheim will seem like a good guy.”

And topping it:
“Pity these crippled and unloved individuals– because who could love anyone so useless, destructive and mentally deficient? I’m talking about PBS producers, not children with autism.”

See? Holy crap on a cracker.

  1. May 5, 2010 6:22 pm

    >"it is assult with a bodily fluid. Take a water squirt gun and verbally tell him that to avoid assult with bodily fluids you are imaging as you spray his face with water that you are spitting on his face."This commit reminds me of Sterling Hayden's character in "Dr. Strangelove".

  2. May 6, 2010 6:45 pm

    >Has anyone else noted that the crazy content of comments seems to have risen to an all high lvl?Nice post Kim

  3. May 6, 2010 11:50 pm

    >Nobody takes these people seriously anymore.Their wole crazy world is crumbling around them,it's fun to watch,pass the popcorn.

  4. May 6, 2010 11:57 pm

    >They take themselves seriously, though, and the potential harm their rhetoric and belief systems could cause their autistic loved ones needs to be taken seriously.

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